Hi Linda, Peter and Darrell,
Thank you for your interesting comments.
History does seem to be like a series of related dominoes, (or opening and closing doors).
England lost the American colonies in 1776, prior to that the English had been sending prisoners to the colony of Virgina, after that stopped 12 years later in 1788, the first fleet arrived starting the colony of New South Wales (Australia) with the first batch of convicts.
In 1708 Queen Anne agrees to help the Palatines and 15 years later Emperor Josef publishes a patent to allow the settling of Banat by people from the same geographical region.
I think the refugees from the Palatinate would have been widely known about. I did read recently about some people from France who were leaving France to join the Palatines going to the American colonies, they were caught, the men were put in prison and the women were sent to New Orleans.
I don’t know that much about the 30 years war and its after effects, I have found a pdf of a book published in Philadelphia in 1937 “Early eighteenth century Palatine emigration by Warren Knittle” that I’m going to read (it appears to have quite a bit of detail from the American side).
I realise that what is termed as the Palatinate is greater (and more complicated) than some of the main areas that the Donauschwaben came from, but I also believe there were some overlaps with neighbouring areas/regions in the Pfalz.
I realise that what is termed as the Palatinate is greater (and more complicated) than some of the main areas that the Donauschwaben came from, but I also believe there were some overlaps with neighbouring areas/regions in the Pfalz.
My oldest Jahrmarkt ancestor Philipp Kiltzer has his hometown listed as “Patria Otis – Ebschied, Palantinata Inferiori” in his 1771 burial entry in the Jahrmarkt church books. (which I take to be something like lower / lesser Pfalz, it was in the Hunsruck region). I think some of the Philadelphia immigrants came from somewhere to the north but still also in the Rhineland-Pfalz. What I’m coming to realise is that so many people left the ravages of that particular region and ended up in America and elsewhere. Protestants in one direction, Catholics the other direction to Banat.
In fact, I had read that there were suspicions that the some of Palatines who arrived in England, some were secretly catholic, or had coverted so they could go to the American colonies.
Its interesting that you mention Limerick as that was also one of the areas the Irish Palatines ended up in as well. There may have been some earlier connection between the Pfalz and Ireland as an Irish / English lord … (or maybe a baron?), agreed to take some of the Palatines.
I realise there is a separate group for this, but I also have 4 % French and approx 9% Iberian in my dna breakdown. There is some quite olive skin in my some of my family from Jahrmarkt. My mother always said it comes from the romans, (just read before that some of the original inhabitants of that side of the Pfalz were celts), so the mystery continues 😊
I did have a dna match with someone in America, whose family tree is mainly in North Carolina which is where some of the 1709 Palatines ended up, so it appears that I am definently connected to that group somehow. (I had read a while ago that the german part of Kevin Costners ancestry is from North Carolina, so we are probably related somehow – lol.)
I did have a dna match with someone in America, whose family tree is mainly in North Carolina which is where some of the 1709 Palatines ended up, so it appears that I am definently connected to that group somehow. (I had read a while ago that the german part of Kevin Costners ancestry is from North Carolina, so we are probably related somehow – lol.)